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Vegeta (Super) vs Majin Boo Arc
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+ Emmeth	Jun 2 2018, 04:59 PM Post #1
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	So let's examine Vegeta's powers after the Boo arc a bit. He's obviously grown much stronger even getting the forms God and Blue, but how strong would his SSJ forms be against various enemies in Boo arc? Scenario 1: - Base Vegeta vs Dabra, Fat Boo, Pure Boo and Evil Boo (Gauntlet) Consider Vegeta at 3 points in Super = RoF, First Trip to Future (Goku Black), ToP. Scenario 2: - SSJ Vegeta vs Pure Boo, Evil Boo, Gotenks-Boo, Gohan-Boo and Super Vegetto (Gauntlet) Consider the same three as before (RoF, First Trip to Future and ToP) Scenario 3: - SSJ2 Vegeta vs Gotenks-Boo, Gohan-Boo and Super Vegetto (SSJ1 and SSJ2) Consider the same three as before + Second Trip to Future. Discuss!
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 2 2018, 08:46 PM Post #2
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	He clears all of these rounds as he is in the Golden Frieza Saga imo. By the tournament of power, I think Vegeta could clear the DBZ series in his base form.
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PF18	Jun 2 2018, 08:59 PM Post #3
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	Son-Goku Jun 2 2018, 08:46 PM He clears all of these rounds as he is in the Golden Frieza Saga imo. By the tournament of power, I think Vegeta could clear the DBZ series in his base form. Pretty much. I agree



PocketGod	Jun 3 2018, 03:38 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,668 Group: Member Member #12,574 Joined: August 22, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Yowamushi Pedal What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk	Vegeta gets pimp slapped in every scenario.
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Blue Evolution Vegeta	Jun 3 2018, 08:43 AM Post #5
Posts: 378 Group: Member Member #9,064 Joined: February 18, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime DB, DBZ, DBGT, DBS, Toriko, Digimon, Pokemon and Stitch! Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Toriko	Let's see, BoG Arc SSJ God Goku and Beerus threatened the Universe by punching each other, then Goku loses the God form, but surpasses his previous God form in just SSJ, that SSJ Goku's Kamehameha seemed to merge with Beerus attack's to create some sort of Supernova-like attack which Beerus pushes back at Goku SSJ Goku gets overwhelmed by the attack and reverts to Base form, Base then proceeds to one punch that same attack, then fast forward months later, Goku arrives at Beerus place and states Vegeta might be stronger then him, they then train for months and Beerus comments Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger since he last saw them So both Goku and Vegeta by the time of RoF Arc had surpassed the SSJ God Goku that fought Beerus, both of which are at Universe destroying levels, Goku and Vegeta have Surpassed that in their Base forms, while Buu was shown to gradually destroy a Galaxy in a flashback, meaning Buu Arc characters are at best in the Higher Multi-Solar System ranges So RoF Arc Vegeta should slap everyone in every round in his Base form, SSJ forms aren't needed



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Jun 4 2018, 12:15 AM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 4 2018, 12:41 AM Post #7
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Golden Freeza arc Vegeta as a Super Saiyan? I mean, he gets as far as Evil Boo and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, but that's as far as he goes, IMO. Battle Powers Vegeta: 7,500,000,000 -Super Saiyan: 375,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan 2: 750,000,000,000 -Saiyan Beyond God: 75,000,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan Blue: 3,750,000,000,000,000 Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 36,000,000,000 Evil Boo/Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 360,000,000,000 Ultimate Gohan: 600,000,000,000 Boohan: ~960,000,000,000 Vegetto: 900,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan: 45,000,000,000,000
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PF18	Jun 4 2018, 02:19 AM Post #8
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	Even if you want to severely lowball them and go by the Copy Vegeta Arc, then Base Vegeta is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Then, from U6 Arc-> time skip right after Zamasu Arc, Goku and Vegeta got atleast 10x stronger. (Since Goku broke hits time dimension without Kaioken) So even if you put it that way then Base Vegeta clears all of these scenarios. Theres pretty much no rational way you could have him losing in any of these scenarios.



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM Post #9
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2.



StrenuousSpider	Jun 4 2018, 03:17 AM Post #10
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PF18 Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2. I agree its similar to how coolor asked goku to use the power he used to kill freiza. Referring to ssj not his level of power as goku at that point was much stronger then his namik self. Regardless you have to scale everyone up to goku. He was straight up said and shown to have absorbed gods power. Was eqaul to god as ssj then by RoF was stated to be stronger then his past ssj self at base. You cant just ignore that to fit your view of how strong someone should be. (And yes that includes Roshi pimp slapping GT) Also i dont get the argument that gohan was weaker because he could not turn ssj2 easily. He has a history of not being able to turn ssj2 easily.



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 03:40 AM Post #11
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	StrenuousSpider Jun 4 2018, 03:17 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2. I agree its similar to how coolor asked goku to use the power he used to kill freiza. Referring to ssj not his level of power as goku at that point was much stronger then his namik self. Regardless you have to scale everyone up to goku. He was straight up said and shown to have absorbed gods power. Was eqaul to god as ssj then by RoF was stated to be stronger then his past ssj self at base. You cant just ignore that to fit your view of how strong someone should be. (And yes that includes Roshi pimp slapping GT) Also i dont get the argument that gohan was weaker because he could not turn ssj2 easily. He has a history of not being able to turn ssj2 easily. I mean I mostly agree but Goku was never stated to be stronger than his SSG self in base during ROF.



+ Pyrus	Jun 4 2018, 03:46 AM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:40 AM StrenuousSpider Jun 4 2018, 03:17 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2. I agree its similar to how coolor asked goku to use the power he used to kill freiza. Referring to ssj not his level of power as goku at that point was much stronger then his namik self. Regardless you have to scale everyone up to goku. He was straight up said and shown to have absorbed gods power. Was eqaul to god as ssj then by RoF was stated to be stronger then his past ssj self at base. You cant just ignore that to fit your view of how strong someone should be. (And yes that includes Roshi pimp slapping GT) Also i dont get the argument that gohan was weaker because he could not turn ssj2 easily. He has a history of not being able to turn ssj2 easily. I mean I mostly agree but Goku was never stated to be stronger than his SSG self in base during ROF. Krillin said he never felt a power as terrifying high as Base Goku, and he previously sensed SSJ Goku (post-God absorption).
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Blue Evolution Vegeta	Jun 4 2018, 08:46 AM Post #13
Posts: 378 Group: Member Member #9,064 Joined: February 18, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime DB, DBZ, DBGT, DBS, Toriko, Digimon, Pokemon and Stitch! Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Toriko	Pyrus Jun 4 2018, 03:46 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:40 AM StrenuousSpider Jun 4 2018, 03:17 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2. I agree its similar to how coolor asked goku to use the power he used to kill freiza. Referring to ssj not his level of power as goku at that point was much stronger then his namik self. Regardless you have to scale everyone up to goku. He was straight up said and shown to have absorbed gods power. Was eqaul to god as ssj then by RoF was stated to be stronger then his past ssj self at base. You cant just ignore that to fit your view of how strong someone should be. (And yes that includes Roshi pimp slapping GT) Also i dont get the argument that gohan was weaker because he could not turn ssj2 easily. He has a history of not being able to turn ssj2 easily. I mean I mostly agree but Goku was never stated to be stronger than his SSG self in base during ROF. Krillin said he never felt a power as terrifying high as Base Goku, and he previously sensed SSJ Goku (post-God absorption). Base Goku also destroyed an attack from Beerus that overwhelmed him in SSJ previously, said SSJ Goku was stated to be stronger then SSJ God Goku, the Narrator said it, heck, the an episode title was called "Go Goku, Surpass Super Saiyan God", then Beerus said Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger after coming out of Whis staff Dimension, Beerus outright said they had gotten stronger, no reason for him to exclude SSJ God Goku in that statement Then during RoF Arc like you said, Gohan and Krillin said Base Goku had an immense Ki and that it was completely different then when he fought Beerus, also like you said, they sensed SSJ Goku who was stated to be stronger then SSJ God, then after the U6 vs U7 Tournament, Beerus fought Base Goku in that Monaka outfit, Whis himself said Beerus was having fun fighting Base Goku, while he told SSJ God Goku he was disappointed in SSJ God So another reason why Base Goku (After BoG Arc))>SSJ God Goku (BoG Arc), so that puts even RoF Arc Base Vegeta easily at Universal levels, so Base Vegeta would one shot even SSJ Vegito XD



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 03:27 PM Post #14
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	Blue Evolution Vegeta Jun 4 2018, 08:46 AM Pyrus Jun 4 2018, 03:46 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:40 AM StrenuousSpider Jun 4 2018, 03:17 AM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 02:24 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Jun 4 2018, 12:14 AM Goku was comparable to Gohan in the same form when the latter was stated to be weaker than his Ultimate power from the Boo arc. Base Vegeta beats Dabura, Fat Boo, Super Boo and Pure Boo. SSJ Vegeta loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Numbers wise I have current Vegeta's mutated Super Saiyan 2 above Vegito. If you're just assuming the standard 2x multiplier then he still loses to Bootenks, Boohan and base Vegito. Goku stated he was suppressed. at the very least, Base Goku>>Base Gohan during that time. And it wasnt even explicitly stated that he was weaker than his Ultimate form. "Ultimate" was establisbed to be a transformation, and he lno longer has said transformation. Piccolo referred to his "power against Buu" as this transformation, not that level of power. If hes even close to Goku in the same form, then he HAS to be far stronger than his Ultimate Gohan self based on ehat we have seen from the rest of the series. And Base Gohan from ROF>Piccolo, so his power couldnt have dropped that much. SSJ Gohan ROF is probably fairly close to buu Arc ultimate Gohan and Gohan has trained since ROF and re-attained the ability to go SSJ2. I agree its similar to how coolor asked goku to use the power he used to kill freiza. Referring to ssj not his level of power as goku at that point was much stronger then his namik self. Regardless you have to scale everyone up to goku. He was straight up said and shown to have absorbed gods power. Was eqaul to god as ssj then by RoF was stated to be stronger then his past ssj self at base. You cant just ignore that to fit your view of how strong someone should be. (And yes that includes Roshi pimp slapping GT) Also i dont get the argument that gohan was weaker because he could not turn ssj2 easily. He has a history of not being able to turn ssj2 easily. I mean I mostly agree but Goku was never stated to be stronger than his SSG self in base during ROF. Krillin said he never felt a power as terrifying high as Base Goku, and he previously sensed SSJ Goku (post-God absorption). Base Goku also destroyed an attack from Beerus that overwhelmed him in SSJ previously, said SSJ Goku was stated to be stronger then SSJ God Goku, the Narrator said it, heck, the an episode title was called "Go Goku, Surpass Super Saiyan God", then Beerus said Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger after coming out of Whis staff Dimension, Beerus outright said they had gotten stronger, no reason for him to exclude SSJ God Goku in that statement Then during RoF Arc like you said, Gohan and Krillin said Base Goku had an immense Ki and that it was completely different then when he fought Beerus, also like you said, they sensed SSJ Goku who was stated to be stronger then SSJ God, then after the U6 vs U7 Tournament, Beerus fought Base Goku in that Monaka outfit, Whis himself said Beerus was having fun fighting Base Goku, while he told SSJ God Goku he was disappointed in SSJ God So another reason why Base Goku (After BoG Arc))>SSJ God Goku (BoG Arc), so that puts even RoF Arc Base Vegeta easily at Universal levels, so Base Vegeta would one shot even SSJ Vegito XD Yes Obviously as per the narrator and what not it was established that SSJ Goku(Post ritual)>SSG Goku during the BoG arc. I never disputed this nor did anybody dispute this. But it was heavily emphasized that when Goku dropped from SSG then his SSJ form was the same strength as SSG as per Goku saying that he didn't "feel any weaker" rather than saying he got stronger. Beerus explained that Goku infused SSG within himself when Goku was in SSJ not base. Krillin did not make a comment about Base Goku's ki being terrified compared to the previous Goku he sensed, he only made a comment about being in fear. This is more of a reflection of what they know about Freeza being evil rather than Beerus being more of a mysterious character. Gohan didn't make a comment about Goku being stronger than before he just said they had tremendous ki. That was literally all Gohan said. Gohan was just stating the obvious. Yes, Beerus said that they had gotten stronger. Why would he say that? Because obviously they DID get stronger. In equivalent forms, Whis's training Goku>BoG Goku. Base Goku during the training leading up to ROF was stronger than the Base Goku after the SSG ritual. SSJ post God was established to be stronger than SSG, but of course Goku's current SSJ during ROF was stronger than that. So Beerus was right, but it didn't actually imply Base Goku>SSG Goku. Yes, Goku fought Beerus in the Monaka suit and he was having fun. However, Whis made a similar comment when they were fighting during BoG and Goku was a SSJ. He said that he didn't see Beerus having that much fun in 900 years. The premise of Base Goku ROF>SSG Goku BoG was retconned from the movies to DBS. During DBS, they established SSJ Goku Post God ritual>SSG Goku BoG. And here's the evidence of such a thing: 1. Because When Beerus tells Goku that he infused the SSG power within himself, Goku was in his Super Saiyan form and at first only did about as good as he did as a SSG. If his base was on par with SSG, going Super Saiyan would make him dramatically stronger than he was as a SSG. 2. The narrator states that Goku has surpassed Super Saiyan God not when he was in base against Freeza, but when he turns SSB for the first time in DBS. This contradicts the idea of this "Saiyan Beyond God" stuff. If he had actually surpassed SSG in base, the narrator would have stated it then. 3. If Goku's base was stronger than his SSG self, then the U6 Arc would have completely invalidated the BoG arc and Beerus would have to be completely retarded for it to make sense. Cabba, Frost, and Magetta were as strong or stronger than the Base Saiyans but weaker than their SSJ forms. (without including Cabba's SSJ transformation that he achieved during the tournament.) Why would Beerus have this prophecy of a SSG that could give him a fun fight, if he could have just gone to U6 and fought any of the 3 aforementioned characters and gotten atleast as good of a fight. That makes absolutely no sense. 4. If DBS followed the movies where Base Goku>SSG Goku, then using SSJ 1-3 would be impossible. The movies established that there was Saiyan Beyond God and SSGSS, and those were the only two forms Goku and Vegeta had at the time. The only time it was explicitly stated that the Base Saiyans had surpassed SSG, was in the promotional material for the movie that was obviously changed when they had an entire series in mind to come after it and they wanted to still use the classic SSJ transformations. But yes, I agree Base Vegeta wins this versus battle. In fact, Vegeta EoS would probably beat Buu Arc SSJ3 Vegetto pretty easily too. Edited by PF18, Jun 4 2018, 03:29 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jun 4 2018, 08:26 PM Post #15
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:27 PM Krillin did not make a comment about Base Goku's ki being terrified compared to the previous Goku he sensed, he only made a comment about being in fear. This is more of a reflection of what they know about Freeza being evil rather than Beerus being more of a mysterious character. Gohan didn't make a comment about Goku being stronger than before he just said they had tremendous ki. That was literally all Gohan said. Gohan was just stating the obvious. It was definitely in reference to Base Goku's power. Krillin literally says "he" as in Goku, and then moments later indicates Goku by name. Gohan backs him up too.
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